<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Bail Enforcement Licensing in Michigan and the &#8220;Professional Investigator Licensure Act&#8221;</title> <atom:link href="http://pursuitmag.com/bail-enforcement-licensing-in-michigan-and-the-professional-investigator-licensure-act/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://pursuitmag.com/bail-enforcement-licensing-in-michigan-and-the-professional-investigator-licensure-act/</link> <description>A Magazine for Private Investigators and other Investigation Professionals</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 05:01:13 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Douglas</title><link>http://pursuitmag.com/bail-enforcement-licensing-in-michigan-and-the-professional-investigator-licensure-act/comment-page-1/#comment-6471</link> <dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 14:24:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://pursuitmag.com/?p=11351#comment-6471</guid> <description>I understand the laws and agree very much with you on your post.  The property bondsman in Michigan are Grand Fathered in from years ago.  I beleive there are only 2 companies there that are property bondsman. ( They are both grand fathered in (Change of court rules)   Most courts in Michigan you must be registered in to write a bond will not allow a Property Bondsman to do business.The new well its no where new House Bill Being pushed has been being pushed for Decades they have changed it many a time and they have not approved it like you said.   Do to money problems?   I think they could charge enough to make a little money. Just look at a price tag on getting an agency license for professional investigator.   They have to do something.   Thats a Fact. It is a very trust oriented position to just have.  Very dangerous to the community and the defendents/ Fugitives being sought after.Other problems including the exam, The exam to be a licensed Surety agent in Michigan has not one question about even writing a bail bond.  Not one question about laws of the bonding business.  Im telling you the last thing you want is a bunch of pencil pushers writing bonds at any jail when they dont even know how to read the person they are bonding out.   Or the cosigners they are writing the bond for.    There is a lot of that going on.   Then someone like me has to waste my time chassing them down.  Just because they wanted to make there 2% on a bond.   Non Liable Agents in Michigan have no recoarse.  They could write a million dollares worth of bonds not care what happens.  That is completly on fare to the agency.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the laws and agree very much with you on your post.  The property bondsman in Michigan are Grand Fathered in from years ago.  I beleive there are only 2 companies there that are property bondsman. ( They are both grand fathered in (Change of court rules)   Most courts in Michigan you must be registered in to write a bond will not allow a Property Bondsman to do business.</p><p> The new well its no where new House Bill Being pushed has been being pushed for Decades they have changed it many a time and they have not approved it like you said.   Do to money problems?   I think they could charge enough to make a little money. Just look at a price tag on getting an agency license for professional investigator.   They have to do something.   Thats a Fact. It is a very trust oriented position to just have.  Very dangerous to the community and the defendents/ Fugitives being sought after.</p><p> Other problems including the exam, The exam to be a licensed Surety agent in Michigan has not one question about even writing a bail bond.  Not one question about laws of the bonding business.  Im telling you the last thing you want is a bunch of pencil pushers writing bonds at any jail when they dont even know how to read the person they are bonding out.   Or the cosigners they are writing the bond for.    There is a lot of that going on.   Then someone like me has to waste my time chassing them down.  Just because they wanted to make there 2% on a bond.   Non Liable Agents in Michigan have no recoarse.  They could write a million dollares worth of bonds not care what happens.  That is completly on fare to the agency.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: A.P.</title><link>http://pursuitmag.com/bail-enforcement-licensing-in-michigan-and-the-professional-investigator-licensure-act/comment-page-1/#comment-6258</link> <dc:creator>A.P.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 02:37:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://pursuitmag.com/?p=11351#comment-6258</guid> <description>Douglas;Apparently you missed a key portion of my posting; it is a crime in the State of Michigan to utilize the term &quot;Fugitive Recovery Agent&quot; under the &lt;i&gt;Law Enforcement Identification Act ~ MCL 750.216b (3)As used in this section, “law enforcement identification” means any identification that contains the words “law enforcement” or similar words, including, but not limited to, “agent”, “enforcement agent”, “detective”, “task force”, &lt;B&gt;“FUGITIVE RECOVERY AGENT”&lt;/B&gt;, or any other combination of names that gives the impression that the bearer is in any way connected with the federal government, state government, or any political subdivision of a state government. However, law enforcement identification does not include “bail agent” or “bondsman” when used by a bail agent or bondsman operating in accordance with section 167b.&lt;/i&gt;Further; the majority of the states that require licensing of Recovery Agents require them to utilize either the term Bail Enforcement Agent; or Bounty Hunter and specifically bar the term Fugitive Recovery Agent as they fell it can lead the common person to the false belief that they are sworn Law Enforcement Officers.And; yes, I know what you are referring to about Bail Agent licensing here in MI but you left out an important fact.Yes you need to become; at least, a Licensed Limited Lines Property &amp; Casualty Insurance Agent and appointed to write Surety Bonds to post bail; but, there is a little known loop hole that allows for another type of bondsman here in MI; that is the Property Bondsmen.Unlike the Insurance backed Bail Agent; Property Bondsmen are not licensed insurance producers and utilize their private property to back their bonds.  Once approved by a Judge they are permitted to post bonds in that court.I may seem to contradict myself here from my original posting as the following bill creates the term Bail Enforcement Agent under MI law.One of the main reason the recent bill (H 5943) &quot;Bail Enforcement Agent Licensing Act&quot; was tabled in the first session of the House is because of resistance from the Property Bondsmen; but, I am certain that it will pass in an upcoming session of the House once the finical aspects of implementing censure and an acceptable compromise is made with the Bail Agents and Property Bondsmen.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas;</p><p>Apparently you missed a key portion of my posting; it is a crime in the State of Michigan to utilize the term &#8220;Fugitive Recovery Agent&#8221; under the <i>Law Enforcement Identification Act ~ MCL 750.216b (3)</p><p>As used in this section, “law enforcement identification” means any identification that contains the words “law enforcement” or similar words, including, but not limited to, “agent”, “enforcement agent”, “detective”, “task force”, <b>“FUGITIVE RECOVERY AGENT”</b>, or any other combination of names that gives the impression that the bearer is in any way connected with the federal government, state government, or any political subdivision of a state government. However, law enforcement identification does not include “bail agent” or “bondsman” when used by a bail agent or bondsman operating in accordance with section 167b.</i></p><p>Further; the majority of the states that require licensing of Recovery Agents require them to utilize either the term Bail Enforcement Agent; or Bounty Hunter and specifically bar the term Fugitive Recovery Agent as they fell it can lead the common person to the false belief that they are sworn Law Enforcement Officers.</p><p>And; yes, I know what you are referring to about Bail Agent licensing here in MI but you left out an important fact.</p><p>Yes you need to become; at least, a Licensed Limited Lines Property &amp; Casualty Insurance Agent and appointed to write Surety Bonds to post bail; but, there is a little known loop hole that allows for another type of bondsman here in MI; that is the Property Bondsmen.</p><p>Unlike the Insurance backed Bail Agent; Property Bondsmen are not licensed insurance producers and utilize their private property to back their bonds.  Once approved by a Judge they are permitted to post bonds in that court.</p><p>I may seem to contradict myself here from my original posting as the following bill creates the term Bail Enforcement Agent under MI law.</p><p>One of the main reason the recent bill (H 5943) &#8220;Bail Enforcement Agent Licensing Act&#8221; was tabled in the first session of the House is because of resistance from the Property Bondsmen; but, I am certain that it will pass in an upcoming session of the House once the finical aspects of implementing censure and an acceptable compromise is made with the Bail Agents and Property Bondsmen.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: douglas</title><link>http://pursuitmag.com/bail-enforcement-licensing-in-michigan-and-the-professional-investigator-licensure-act/comment-page-1/#comment-5743</link> <dc:creator>douglas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 17:39:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://pursuitmag.com/?p=11351#comment-5743</guid> <description>The term Fugitive Recovery Agent is just a term and or phrase used it sounds better than bounty hunter.  Alot of guys are using it.  Not just newbees.  In fact a lot of states require you to use this phrase.  The coarses offered through these bail bondsman are very helpfull do to the fact they help new bondsman learn the ins and outs of the industry.  While the state has no coarses they are offered haveing anything to do with bail bonds or recovery.  I think this is very important to learn.  I am a licensed Bail Agent in the State of Michigan. If anybody has taken a coarse or the exam for the state they know what I am talking about when I say (has nothing to do with the bail industry). If you want to be a bounty hunter/ Recovery /Bail Enforcement agent GO GET YOUR BAIL BONDS LICENSE.  You guys can go ahead and delete this because it is the answer to all the so called confussion. The truth is they dont want people to know how to get to there goal because they cant stand the competition.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term Fugitive Recovery Agent is just a term and or phrase used it sounds better than bounty hunter.  Alot of guys are using it.  Not just newbees.  In fact a lot of states require you to use this phrase.  The coarses offered through these bail bondsman are very helpfull do to the fact they help new bondsman learn the ins and outs of the industry.  While the state has no coarses they are offered haveing anything to do with bail bonds or recovery.  I think this is very important to learn.  I am a licensed Bail Agent in the State of Michigan. If anybody has taken a coarse or the exam for the state they know what I am talking about when I say (has nothing to do with the bail industry). If you want to be a bounty hunter/ Recovery /Bail Enforcement agent GO GET YOUR BAIL BONDS LICENSE.  You guys can go ahead and delete this because it is the answer to all the so called confussion. The truth is they dont want people to know how to get to there goal because they cant stand the competition.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: A.P.</title><link>http://pursuitmag.com/bail-enforcement-licensing-in-michigan-and-the-professional-investigator-licensure-act/comment-page-1/#comment-1790</link> <dc:creator>A.P.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 00:00:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://pursuitmag.com/?p=11351#comment-1790</guid> <description>Yes the law is foggy at best.  Currently one does NOT need a Professional Investigators License to apprehend a Principal.  How ever to do the Investigation leading up to the Apprehension you will.  Although the Professional Investigators Act on 2008 clear exempts Bail Agents from the statute.DLEG states that a Bail Agent may appoint a “runner” to do many things; with the exception of executing a bond, they may locate and deliver a principal to the jail or court, file the bond, take the application etc.  The main thing they are prevented from doing is signing the bond.Also there is the Law Enforcement Identification Act ~ MCL 750.216b (3)As used in this section, &quot;law enforcement identification&quot; means any identification that contains the words &quot;law enforcement&quot; or similar words, including, but not limited to, &quot;agent&quot;, &quot;enforcement agent&quot;, &quot;detective&quot;, &quot;task force&quot;, &quot;fugitive recovery agent&quot;, or any other combination of names that gives the impression that the bearer is in any way connected with the federal government, state government, or any political subdivision of a state government. However, law enforcement identification does not include &quot;bail agent&quot; or &quot;bondsman&quot; when used by a bail agent or bondsman operating in accordance with section 167b.So those out there running around MI calling themselves Agent So-and-So; or Bail Enforcement Agent or Fugitive Recovery Agent are actually committing a felony.  The only acceptable terms are Bail Agent or Bounty Hunter.There was a bill introduced that would require Licensing of Bounty Hunters; as much as I hate that term, as well as Runners which failed to pass.  The proposed law would make it necessary for Hunters to become MI Licensed Insurance Producers to work in MI as well as institute mandatory training and continued education requirements.To write Bail one needs to pass a test and become licensed as a; at minimum, Limited Lines Property &amp; Casualty Insurance Producer.  Under the LL P&amp;C Surety is automatic.  Once you receive the license you may then find an Insurance Company to back you and apply to the Court in the County you wish to work for approval as a Bail Agent.  Not an easy task these days and each county has different procedures for doing so.  You may qualify in one and be denied in 5 others.The Licensing Act for Bounty Hunters failed mainly because it would cost more per year to implement and operate then the State would make.  The proposed act would cost the State of MI $250,000 or more to run each year then it would make.  Once the financial aspects are resolved I’m quite sure the act will pass.As it stands because of the confusion of the 2008 Professional Investigators Act Bail Bondsmen wont hire anyone as a Hunter that is not Licensed as a PI out of fear that they may face civil and criminal charges for doing so.In short if you want to hunt in MI wait till the Licensing Act goes through and take an DLEG approved course and apply.There is one guy out here right now going by the Fugitive Recovery Academy pedaling a worthless course that has not been approved by any one yet he claims it will allow his student to obtain a license that doesn’t even exist yet.This kid is trying to make a profit off of our industry and he knows nothing about it; he’s new to the field himself and is not qualified to teach you how to sharpen your pencil let alone give a course on Bail Recovery.Currently; here in MI, no one is authorized by the state or any legitimate education institution to offer such a class.Wait for a course that is approved by DLEG; which there currently are none.  The education requirements under the proposed bill are insurance education only and nothing</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the law is foggy at best.  Currently one does NOT need a Professional Investigators License to apprehend a Principal.  How ever to do the Investigation leading up to the Apprehension you will.  Although the Professional Investigators Act on 2008 clear exempts Bail Agents from the statute.</p><p>DLEG states that a Bail Agent may appoint a “runner” to do many things; with the exception of executing a bond, they may locate and deliver a principal to the jail or court, file the bond, take the application etc.  The main thing they are prevented from doing is signing the bond.</p><p>Also there is the Law Enforcement Identification Act ~ MCL 750.216b (3)</p><p>As used in this section, &#8220;law enforcement identification&#8221; means any identification that contains the words &#8220;law enforcement&#8221; or similar words, including, but not limited to, &#8220;agent&#8221;, &#8220;enforcement agent&#8221;, &#8220;detective&#8221;, &#8220;task force&#8221;, &#8220;fugitive recovery agent&#8221;, or any other combination of names that gives the impression that the bearer is in any way connected with the federal government, state government, or any political subdivision of a state government. However, law enforcement identification does not include &#8220;bail agent&#8221; or &#8220;bondsman&#8221; when used by a bail agent or bondsman operating in accordance with section 167b.</p><p>So those out there running around MI calling themselves Agent So-and-So; or Bail Enforcement Agent or Fugitive Recovery Agent are actually committing a felony.  The only acceptable terms are Bail Agent or Bounty Hunter.</p><p>There was a bill introduced that would require Licensing of Bounty Hunters; as much as I hate that term, as well as Runners which failed to pass.  The proposed law would make it necessary for Hunters to become MI Licensed Insurance Producers to work in MI as well as institute mandatory training and continued education requirements.</p><p>To write Bail one needs to pass a test and become licensed as a; at minimum, Limited Lines Property &amp; Casualty Insurance Producer.  Under the LL P&amp;C Surety is automatic.  Once you receive the license you may then find an Insurance Company to back you and apply to the Court in the County you wish to work for approval as a Bail Agent.  Not an easy task these days and each county has different procedures for doing so.  You may qualify in one and be denied in 5 others.</p><p>The Licensing Act for Bounty Hunters failed mainly because it would cost more per year to implement and operate then the State would make.  The proposed act would cost the State of MI $250,000 or more to run each year then it would make.  Once the financial aspects are resolved I’m quite sure the act will pass.</p><p>As it stands because of the confusion of the 2008 Professional Investigators Act Bail Bondsmen wont hire anyone as a Hunter that is not Licensed as a PI out of fear that they may face civil and criminal charges for doing so.</p><p>In short if you want to hunt in MI wait till the Licensing Act goes through and take an DLEG approved course and apply.</p><p>There is one guy out here right now going by the Fugitive Recovery Academy pedaling a worthless course that has not been approved by any one yet he claims it will allow his student to obtain a license that doesn’t even exist yet.</p><p>This kid is trying to make a profit off of our industry and he knows nothing about it; he’s new to the field himself and is not qualified to teach you how to sharpen your pencil let alone give a course on Bail Recovery.</p><p>Currently; here in MI, no one is authorized by the state or any legitimate education institution to offer such a class.</p><p>Wait for a course that is approved by DLEG; which there currently are none.  The education requirements under the proposed bill are insurance education only and nothing</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: douglas</title><link>http://pursuitmag.com/bail-enforcement-licensing-in-michigan-and-the-professional-investigator-licensure-act/comment-page-1/#comment-226</link> <dc:creator>douglas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:25:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://pursuitmag.com/?p=11351#comment-226</guid> <description>First of all in order to be a Bail Enforcement agent in the state of Michigan you need to be employed by a Bail Agent which is  a Licensed Surety agent whom is registered in the court in which he bails people out of jail.   Or get a letter of appointment not to exceed the dec 31st of the year you will be doing bail enforcement for.   Under Michigan law you do not need to be licensed to do so.   This includes duties that a Bail Agent / Bondsman would do in order to assure the defendant shows up to court.   But does not include the bail or paperwork with jail or court.      Duties include arrest, supervision, locating and transporting the fugitive to the local sheriff or jail.     The only time you need a license to be a private investigator  is when you are not working for a bail bond company and are doing Investigator duties.  Investigational duties is just that investigation not arrest.   They cant make an arrest under there license.  They make an arrest under the Michigan Bail laws.Your best bet is to go to your local Bail bonds companies and ask them for a job doing recovery. Or if they have any skips. If they have any skips they will need to give you a letter of authority to arrest for the company, a warrant, and a picture of the fugitive.   Be sure to check every law on any other state you may go to because if you go to Kentucky without first getting a Kentucky warrant you may have problems.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all in order to be a Bail Enforcement agent in the state of Michigan you need to be employed by a Bail Agent which is  a Licensed Surety agent whom is registered in the court in which he bails people out of jail.   Or get a letter of appointment not to exceed the dec 31st of the year you will be doing bail enforcement for.   Under Michigan law you do not need to be licensed to do so.   This includes duties that a Bail Agent / Bondsman would do in order to assure the defendant shows up to court.   But does not include the bail or paperwork with jail or court.      Duties include arrest, supervision, locating and transporting the fugitive to the local sheriff or jail.     The only time you need a license to be a private investigator  is when you are not working for a bail bond company and are doing Investigator duties.  Investigational duties is just that investigation not arrest.   They cant make an arrest under there license.  They make an arrest under the Michigan Bail laws.</p><p> Your best bet is to go to your local Bail bonds companies and ask them for a job doing recovery. Or if they have any skips. If they have any skips they will need to give you a letter of authority to arrest for the company, a warrant, and a picture of the fugitive.   Be sure to check every law on any other state you may go to because if you go to Kentucky without first getting a Kentucky warrant you may have problems.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jeff</title><link>http://pursuitmag.com/bail-enforcement-licensing-in-michigan-and-the-professional-investigator-licensure-act/comment-page-1/#comment-225</link> <dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 21:16:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://pursuitmag.com/?p=11351#comment-225</guid> <description>Some say you need to be licensed to be a bounty hunter but no seems to be able to answer how or why or when.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some say you need to be licensed to be a bounty hunter but no seems to be able<br /> to answer how or why or when.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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